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Meeting with CGMT, BSNL Kerala at Circle office on 08/08/2018

An important and emergency meeting with CGMT Kerala was held at Circle office Trivandrum on 08/08/2018. CGMT and GM (HR/Admin) was there from management side and our association was represented by CP Sri Gireesh , CS Sri. Saheer & CFS Sri. Ansal.

 

The meeting lasted for more than one hour and the discussion and assurances from management side was positive.

The various Agenda points like change in allotment of BA & issuance of transfers for two year completed cases were discussed in detail. Administration agreed that all executives who completed 2 years as on 31/7/2018 will be considered for transfers and orders will be released soon. Further on pointing some unhealthy initiatives which happened in Palghat earlier, started at Thrissur also without conformance to any norms. CGMT assured us that necessary directions will be given to BAs to consider equal approach with all executives without any biased approach.

 

The matter of participation on Various meetings by our association was discussed in detail. It was informed to us that being the young and energetic BSNL recruited officers lot, our association need to support management in this cut throat competition era and Kerala circle is looking forward for many initiatives which is much needed. CGMT assured us that the needful measures will be taken with regard to the contention raised by AIGETOA Kerala. The matter of long standing particulars in JTO cader -2018 was discussed along with transfers and incoming Rule-8 requests. We requested that the executives who have worked long years apart from the families should be given priority with due consideration and Rule-8 incoming cases may be considered as per theier choice. After detailed submissions, administration agreed that the cases will be taken care as and when arises with due consideration to the maximum extent possible.

 

Furthermore , the matter of ongoing APAR and VC clearance for SCF promotions ( JTO to SDE) was discussed and it was intimated to association that as some of the details are missing mainly for Rule-8 incoming JTOs, the details need to taken care so as to submit the data to corporate office.

 

There was discussion on Prepaid FTTH and CGMT told us to submit a detailed communication on this.

 

Click here for the letter submitted

 

Further the team had meetings separately with GM( HR/Admin), DGM ( HR/Admin ) and various sections on different matters. We had taken the matter of PVRs of Mutual request cases with sections and request for early expeditions on the same. Later the team visited various sections at Circle office and met our members to have direct interaction.

 

The events spanned an entire day and meetings happened in a positive note and AIGETOA is committed to take up the real issues of BSNL & BSNL Recruits as always.

 

CO asking data pertaining to JTOs promoted between 1995 to 2000 :

It was repeatedly being emphasised that Ernakullam Judgement only talks about JTOs recruited after 2000 and Corporate office also issued JTOs promotion stating that list before year 2000 was undisputed. Now, corporate office has asked for data pertaining to JTOs promoted between 1995 to 2000. Click here for the letter

This exercise should have been done earlier by BSNL CO before issuing the promotion orders. Now when Hon'ble court has established the contempt, BSNL CO is working in reactive mode. All timely advices given by AIGETOA has been ignored and they went ahead with the promotions of Part list.

We have suggested to fill up all the vacancies and also that all eligible JTOs should be promoted and for that if some vacancies are needed, they should be upgraded. Let's see if good sense prevails in all corners...

Friends, last few days, we have been consistently meeting management and pushing forward the promotion issue. Discussions have been held at the level of Director HR, Sr GM establishment, GM Pers, OSD and Joint GM Pers. We have been able to impress upon them that promotions will have to be executed for BSNL recruited executives also and sooner it comes better it is. We have emphasised upon the need for filling up all posts of SDEs till current date, we have requested management to consider list8 in totality. We have requested management to finalise the list 9 as per provisions of SDE RRs in the Rota Quota ratio of 2:1 between SCF and LDCE. Our efforts have borne fruits. HR group has held many meetings in last few days to sort out the issues related with JTO to SDE promotions, execution of list 8 and feasibility of further lists. We are very sure that our efforts will succeed. We request members to have faith and patience. Justice may have been delayed but it will definitely come good for us.

Kerala JTO Gradation list particulars till YOR -2008

The JTO Gradation list particulars of JTOs till YOR-2008 is sent from Circle office ( after updation of corrections received)  to Corporate office. The same was achieved through the continued followup of AIGETOA Kerala team. The special efforts by our ACS Sri. Vipal, ACS Sri. Prasadraj,  TVM ADS Sri. Sathyajose, Abin JTO etc are really appreciated. 

Again this is happened to be another example for BSNL Recruits,  to realise who is working for US. Some credit mongering corners who were actually against this DPC promotions were silent till 25/7/18  and when the list was prepared,  they are forced to update for selfish reasons and some gimmick followance.  We hope that once again the thinking BRs will not fall to prey for membership mongers and make sure that our support will not be further utilised for wrong doing against BRs Career  , Pay and Pension prospects


AIEL Preparation - Update

The Herculean Task of Collecting AIEL Data is almost complete

(The Efforts of AIGETOA Bears Fruit- Within a span of 20 days, we have been able to collect data from almost all circles)

During our discussions with HR group on the issue of promotions of JTOs to SDEs, it was projected that collecting AIEL information will take 5-6 months - Both by HR unit and the corners advocating the CPSU hierarchy, citing delay in preparation of AIEL. However, AIGETOA told that we will arrange this data within 20 days.

AIGETOA took it as challenge and today we can proudly announce that Pers Section is in receipt of AIEL data from all circles barring a few who are going to submit by 30th July 2018. It involved mammoth efforts from all including officers from Personnel Section, CHQ Coordinators from AIGETOA, Circle office bearers of AIGETOA, All the BSNL recruits fraternity and HR/admin sections of various circles. Despite, obstacles and contrary updates from even the beneficiary groups  we have been able to complete this task well within time. All those involved in this exercise deserve big thanks and applauds on behalf of all those whose careers were at stake. This proves the power of BR unity. AIGETOA extends its heartfelt gratitude to all specially Shri Vivek Kumar Singh - I & II, Shri Yogendra Kumar, Shri Sunil Gautam, Shri Sridhar, Shri S K Pathak, Shri B K Mehta, Shri Hari Shankar Tiwari, Shri Prashant Gaurav and other team members coordinating on behalf of AIGETOA CHQ with various circles. AIGETOA also extends its heartfelt thanks to all circle office bearers. AIGETOA is also thankful to Shri Moorthy of Personnel section, who ensured that data is prepared in correct format so that preparing final list will not take much time. This list preparation exercise may appear small work, but it has taken tremendous efforts on the part of everybody and at the end it has been ensured that within one month, all data has reached BSNL CO and that too in uniform and correct format which will help in final list preparations, belying all the wrong Projections and mis-information floated by others that this exercise may take 5-6 months.  The work for Assessment report is also being completed and we are sure that with this zeal and Enthu, the same will reach BSNL CO within next few days.

While AIGETOA and its team has been busy collecting the data, others have been busy in conveying the unhappiness of management over the genuine fight being undertaken by some BSNL recruits for their rights. We fail to find a single update on their website conveying the status of data (which used to be a familiar happening when others promotions were on stake). Instead of concentrating on the aspects related to promotion, they have been busy in projecting wrong data, negative reports, mis-interpretation of Ernakulum High Court Judgment, and so on...At least now BSNL Recruits should open their eyes and align under the umbrella of Unity.

Friends, don't get confused by the tantrums of some knowledgeable few as ultimately truth prevails and wins...The crux of Hon'ble Kerala High court's Judgment is that seniority is to be prepared by assigning Inter-Se-Seniority in the integrated eligibility list of JTOs for promotion to the post of SDE taking into account their actual date of appointment and date of promotion certainly, subject to their respective seniority in the concerned appointment order/promotion orders and the rule of rotation of quotas. Honorable court has clearly stated, how Inter-Se-Seniority is to be fixed (Based on date of Appointment/Promotion)..how Intra Seniority within DRs and PRs is to be fixed (Based concerned appointment order/promotion orders and the rule of rotation of quotas).We hope, the intelligent do understand the significance of words "Respective" and "Rules of Rotation of Quotas".

Even after such clarity, and subsequent analysis of the Judgment by Hon'ble CAT bench, some corners still prefer to call the Judgment ambiguous and lacking in clarity, Just to prove One-Up-Man ship. They want it to be dragged to Hon'ble SC, so that promotions of BSNL Recruits remains stuck up Just to prove that their supremacy and for that they are willing to mar the career aspects of all BSNL recruits By their so called intelligence, they have already put Management in a tough Spot and they again want management to be put up in same spot...

WE ARE SURE MANAGEMENT AT LEAST NOW WILL REALISE THE TRUTH and Will Take Corrective Action and come up with the promotions of BSNL recruits. LET US CONCENTRATE ON OUR JOB and SUCCESS will definitely be ours.

CALCULATION OF VACANCY POSITION VIS-A-VIS PROMOTIONS REQUIRED SUBMITTED BY AIGETOA

Vacancy Calculations - Some Fact Files - We leave it for Executives across various cadres to understand :

As against reporting by Some, AIGETOA has submitted vacancy calculations and number of posts required to promote executives in various cadres.

For promotion up to 2010, sufficient posts are available and only current vacancies as on date to be included. More number of posts can be created as sufficient posts are obsolete in JTO Cadre. This will cover all eligible DRs as well as PRs for promotion. Ending the litigations and court cases in promotions. Promoting DR JTOs to SDEs will eliminate the risk for contempt of court.

For List 9, complete 5000 to be included, as LDCE and SCF to be included in ratio 2:1. List 9 is not yet finalised and this need to be done after making corrections. The proposal of amendment of SDE RR with 2:1 from retrospective date was already approved by management committee. Any list in the cadre of SDEs going to be finalised now need to be done in 2:1 ratio as approved by MC of BSNL Board i.e. They should be amalgamated at Par with LDCE executives of corresponding vacancy year in the ratio 2:1. Eligible SDEs who are in E4 Scale with same vacancy years should be considered by giving relaxation in Residency Period for AGM promotion if required and this will be in line with the SDR RR in force. The promotion should be done through amalgamated list containing SCF as well as LDCE promoted executives.

Total number of AGMs Shall be around 9900 after inclusion of List 8 which is inline with what was envisaged through CPSU. In CPSU, All list 8 executives except around 1500 were eligible for promotion on 01.07.2018. IF CCH would have been approved from 1st July 2018, around 8500 AGMs would have been there. Promoting List 8 candidates will enable young candidates with age around 40 at AGM level posts which will end up the void at Middle Level Management. Only 1500 executives are to be promoted extra which can be duly compensated as around 800-900 AGMs are going to retire in next 9-10 months. Further executing list 8 fully will cover the hon'ble court direction with regard to catch up rule also. It will end the Catch Up rule dispute.

Includes JAOs appointed in 2003-04. The promotion is under challenge by those appointed in 2003-4 and there is stay because of catch up rule. If all up to 2003-4 be considered, Dispute will be resolved. Further with promotion of 2003-04 JAOs, talented and professionally qualified CAOs will take charge who have been mainly maintaining the Finance related works at circles.

Calculation of vacancy position vis-a-vis promotions required submitted by AIGETOA. Click here

Gradation particulars in the Cader of JTOs

The Gradation particulars in the cader of JTOs in Kerala Circle published till recruitment year 2008.

Click here for the letter
Click here for the list

 

Status of Circle JTO list, VC,  APAR for AIEL in Kerala Circle

Almost every day AIGETOA was following the progress and completion works of Circle list. We were given through assurance that everything is going good and almost complted. On Monday 23/7/18 we were informed that only approval for sending the list is pending and this will ready by Wednesday. 

Meantime  some counterparts also behaved to make some followups suddenly and now  to our dismay,  a list of 60+ executives details yet to update. This is a clear disobeyance of corporate office directions and change of commitments to us. 

Anyway on warfooting we are trying to complete the work by today  and requested early intervention from CHQ for this deliberate delay due to the internal tactics from some corners.


Update on direction delivered by Hon CAT , Ernakulam on 1:1 Seniority in JTO to SDE Promotions

An Order is directed to BSNL by Hon CAT , Ernakulam on 1:1 Seniority in JTO to SDE Promotions. Click here for the Operating portion of direction. The Order itself is self explanatory but still perhaps for some, it may yet not be understandable. In their quest for justifying their stand and misadventures and to stop BSNL recruits from getting their due promotions, they waylaid Management also and forced them to ignore the judgement as well as timely advices given by AIGETOA leadership. They used names for the memebrs of AIGETOA and told that our perception about the judgement is not correct. Just one week back, some absurd updates were given by proclaimed leg pullers of BSNL recruits wherein they updated just the contrary and were infact preaching AIGETOA and its memebrs.
The direction by Hon’ble Court today clears all doubts on the judgement and the misleading information’s by some corners once again can be thrown to the dust bin.
Justice may be delayed, but one day it comes up and stand against odds to safeguard the truth. The efforts of direct recruits to safeguard it’s delayed and justified promotions in SCF Quota even after a clear Hon HC judgement , which is now again upheld by Hon Court was repeatedly ignored and suppressed and now Hon’ble Court also emblodened our stand that BSNL is not doing the right thing by ignoring Direct Recruits from promotions. We never wanted such situtation where just because of the showcasing of one upmanship by one particular group, management has been put on a tight spot despite having honest intentions to promote people. This is the reason, we have time and again been requesting and updating management about the repurcussions of the arbitrary move. But since the number game always prevails, using the guise of the numbers, they mislead management and in fact have now put the promotion orders issued in June 2018 at stake. It wont be a wonder if court orders to revert the already executed promotions under Seniority Cum Fitness quota. Now also those champions of Law should realise the truth and instead of misleading management, they should come forward and let all vacancies be filled up in 1:1 ration so that at least reversal of anybody does not takes place.
We can’t blame Management alone for this whole episode who were actually mislead. Rather the Management was made to do the wrong by some deliberate corners working against the interests of BSNL Recruits. As a result, the head of the orgnaisation and head of the Personnel wing is facing contempt before court of law, this is the last thing any employee of the company wants. The image of the company & embarrassing situation to its top officials has been taken to court rooms just because of unnecessary pressure from some corners. When there was clear Hon Court direction & despite legal opinions – the promotion chances of BSNL recruits were simply derailed . The Answer is Simple and points to a single point who are yet reluctant to accept the truth.
The plea was to follow promotions on 1:1 ratio of PR Vs DR : The promotion order of 3139 executives itself will tell the story ( out of 3139 – PR Vs DR ratio stand as 3117 Vs 22 ). None of the arguments made by BSNL were taken for granted and it was a primafacie contempt on Hon Court Directions. Now to comply with the directions - BSNL need to make BSNL recruit JTOs promotions accordingly. But some corners will suggest management to appeal in high court which will put management to a more tight spot as the Judgement has been delivered by Hon’ble High Court only who will never take any Lenient view. Only respite is to promote the DRs also.
The excess Quota occupation by promotees ( Quota of DR JTOs occupied by absorbees ) : The arguments of BR JTOs were well taken into and Hon Court convinced on this part , that there were excess quota occupancy almost on all the vacancies. The gravity of the situation will be known to each BSNL recruit when the fact is open before them that , Out of the 3139 promotions made
Almost 1700 absorbees who have joined after 2001 in JTO cader were awarded with back dated YOR o from 1996 to 1999 and promoted above BR JTOs
There was no attempt on correct calculation of excess quota / excess occupancy – only through which the Hon HC direction be complied with and this made the remaining 1400 promotees who were placed for promotions without 1:1 with DR JTOs.
Now the million dollar question arises.
Whether the recognised corners who made this wrong interpretations and misleading informations – be made responsible for this Time , Money wastage of BSNL along with the demotivation made to BSNL Recruits? We advise those corners , to stay away from playing the career aspects of BSNL recruits and pray that good sense prevails. Even now they are busy trying to mislead management by stating that promotions through DPCs are not possible. They are so much afraid of promotions through Regular RRs that they went to the extent of suggesting management that giving promotions through DPC will result in financial burden as all getting promotions shall be getting one increment. They suggested that promotions through CPSU will save money for BSNL as in CPSU, executives wont be getting the increment.
They have done the same thing in promotions for List 8 executives. They derailed the process which was moving on at good pace. Their so called parity demand also stops for them at promotions for Executives Promoted through Seniority Cum Fitness in the year 2009 in list 9 forgetting that those promoted thrugh LDCE Quota in 2013 are also at Par. They forget that AIGETOA is sitting as watchdog and will not allow them to play with careers of thousands and thiusands of BSNL recruits. AIGETOA will never allow list 9 to be operated without following Rota Quota. LDCE passed executives will have to be promoted along with SCF executives.
Atleast now those corners should come to the senses and intead of Misleading management, they should now try to promote all and fill up all the available vacancies. This will benefit all. The DRs as well as PRs ( To be specific BSNL recruited executives from PR quota).

Pragmatic approach on FTTH Operations in Kerala Circle

AIGETOA Kerala raised some important issues related with FTTH Roll-out /Provisions and Maintenance with CGMT, BSNL Kerala Circle.
Click here for the letter submitted. The lethargic approach in the period of cutthroat competition already made heavy revenue loss in Kerala Circle, in last year. We are of the firm view that the proactive approach in true spirit will surely will improve the profit ways in Kerala Circle


UPDATES ON MEETING WITH GM (PERS)

AIGETOA was called today by GM (Pers) to present its view on the issue of parity in promotions. We categorically mentioned that as far as practicable there should be parity in promotions in all the streams. However, this parity in promotions should not be used as tool to delay the promotions of other stream.

On the issue of promotions from JTO to SDE, AIGETOA categorically mentioned that all available vacancies as on date should be filled up for all the eligible candidates. All the vacancies including those arisen due to recent SDE to DE Promotions should also be included so that maximum available candidates can be promoted. If needed, some posts can be upgraded.

SDE to DE promotions: Complete list 8 should be covered. Partial List is not at all acceptable. For list 9, consideration should be based on Rota Quota between SCF and LDCE candidates. The list 9 should immediately be prepared in line with the SDE RR in the ratio of 2:1 between SCF and LDCE candidates. 

Relaxation should be given in Residency Period to cover maximum candidates for both the Technical as well as Finance stream to compensate for the loss due to delay in promotions from JAO to AO and JTO to SDE. Focus of management should be on making maximum young candidates as AGM so that void in middle level management can be done away with.

Shortfall in posts should be covered by surrendering the obsolete posts across various cadres so that more posts can be created on matching saving basis.

Further, CPSU should only be implemented after completing the current DPCs and promoting all eligible candidates. Further, in the proposed policy, Residency Period should be reduced to eliminate the probability of litigations and to ensure a fast career path for youngsters.

AIGETOA was categorical in stating that promotions through DPCs for filling up all the available posts should be done to avoid financial loss as well as uncertainty in promotions, then only CPSU should be implemented.

On asked about the course of action from management side, GM PERS told that they shall be taking a decision within next two days and the same shall be communicated. In the meanwhile, it is learnt that one of the Association is trying to exercise all its might and bargaining power to push management to notify CPSU. However, AIGETOA is firm in its view that existing posts should be filled up first before implementing CPSU. AIGETOA will take all efforts to extend the promotions to BSNL recruits and is ready to follow all actions.

GS also discussed the issue of request transfer cases of SDEs promoted recently through LDCE. GS said that when management itself has called for options for request transfer as a part of promotion exercise and all the requests have already been forwarded through proper channel, then asking the request once again through proper channel is not justified. GS requested to consider all the requests as they are very few in numbers. GM Pers agreed to reconsider based on the merit of the individual cases. We shall keep following this till it happens.